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Taking into account that the teaching of a language can be carried out through acquisition, being this one an informal way that could be more practical and formal learning, being through linguistic classes, What advantages and disadvantages would each one have and how would they complement each other?
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EliminarYelina Perez.
We want to say that there are two ways of learning a language, one being through acquisition, which is unconscious and only carried out through interactions or a communicative input, focusing on the main function of a language, which is to communicate, and formal learning, which gives more knowledge, since it goes into details such as the linguistic structure of the language, thus, taking into account these two forms, one practical and the other formal, what would be the disadvantages and advantages and how they would complement each other , that's what we meat ma'am
EliminarI wouldn't say there are advantages or disadvantages in each "method" but there are differences that will affect the results and that is why learners should be mindful of these differences to know which one fits better to their needs, so to speak. In my opinion, acquisition will develop more communication competences and learning will develop more understanding of the language. So, in my case, I need both because I want to become a language teacher, I need to be fluent but I need to be capable to teach what I know and explain how the language works. Now, if a business man wants to learn another language to expand his business, he just need to communicate fluently and will succeed by traveling to the country and take a course.
ResponderEliminarExactly, we need to be as versatile as possible in order to function in different contexts of language, if we can understand and understand how it works at the time of teaching, it will be more significant.
EliminarI would say that the advantages or disadvantages lie in the purpose for which you want to learn a language, if your motivation is to communicate and live in a foreign country there will be no problem if you do not know all the rules of grammar or your English is informal. But, if you want to work using the language or really learn it along with its culture and structures it will be quite useful for you to attend courses or English classes. The advantage of going to these courses is that you have a broad view of the language that allows you to use the target language in a more adequate way, and the disadvantage is that sometimes these courses are quite mechanized and do not allow you to express yourself naturally, as many people wish.
ResponderEliminarNow that you have mentioned it in that way, I do agree that a possible disadvantage is that most language courses are so aligned to an standard curricula and timeframes that many people lose motivation if they feel like they are not able to follow the rhythm or the way classes are given.
EliminarI agree with you because taking courses can improve the language and have more knowledge about ir. But as you mention they can also discourage people because of the strict structure of the course.
EliminarI would say that it depends of the person and their need when learning the language, both methods are beneficial for acquire the language, only the focus/goal it is the difference. If we just want to have a level enough to have conversation and interact with native speakers then we can just go to the linguistic classes, so the acquisition can take place; on the other hand, is the focus is to be able to teach the language, but also communicate and know the culture it would be the formal language learning that we, as soon to be teachers, are being taught.
ResponderEliminarI agree with you in the process of learning or acquiring a language both are beneficial. It all depends on the level that each one is looking for. Either to communicate and understand it or use it in a more professional way. The end justifies the means.
Eliminarcompletely according to your opinion, it all depends on how the person wants to learn and how he wants to learn.
EliminarThe acquisition allows us to know aspects such as expressions, use of language, way of speaking, even how it is spoken, but it would not allow us to know the fundamental structure of the language; the formal form allows us to know more about grammar, phonemes, linguistic structures, etc. But it does not teach us how to use language in everyday life. Combining these two is important if we want to acquire a new language, use tools such as watching movies, series, reading, listening to music and combining them with the structural study of language.
ResponderEliminarTrue but you should know that to acquire a second language we need effort, dedication and time. If we do not have these 3 aspects, our acquisition process may be affected in the future or you may forget the language
EliminarYou are right, to learn a new language is important to take into account many different aspects, regardless of whether it is an acquisition (informal) or a learning (formal).
EliminarCorrect, acquisition and learning complement each other, one helps us to know and the other to understand, it does not make one stronger, but one is more used, at first we acquire then we learn a new language, it is not possible to say that you know a language without knowing how to create knowledge, which is what learning allows, and to learn we need to acquire it first, for this reason I think they are complementary.
EliminarThis question is confusing, but I say that all know that to acquire a C2 in a language is to be native and for them it is a less complex process, on the other hand, a person who acquires a second language sometimes has impulsiveness to speak, poor organization, usually makes mistakes due to lack of attention and they may be impatient.
ResponderEliminarI think it is important to know that both methods are viable. They are different from each other but retain a certain similarity. one process is voluntary and the other involuntary. both are correct. In acquisition situations occur in which you learn from mistakes voluntarily and systematically and at some point in the learning process you acquire things involuntarily. The important thing in the end is that a high level of language is reached.
EliminarLearning languages is a social phenomenon that inlcludes cognitive, affective and interaction processes. It originates within social activities developed in a plane that is external to the individual and that promotes coopeartive environments. Thus, learning is done when individuals interact among each other and when they cooperate with others. However, this can't be separated from the social, historical and cultural context, wherein learning occurs. Individuals acquire new behaviors when observing and trying to replicate what others do, which would be promoted in a formal learning environment.
ResponderEliminarI totally agree. If we can not interact we can improve the language. So, interaction allows to have a better understanding of the language through behaviors and expressions.
EliminarThe strategies that involve taking classes make us learn progressively and if are combined with acquisition strategies then we learn faster because they focus on the influence of environment.
ResponderEliminarHi everyone. I think one of the advantages of the acquisition is that the process is involuntary and without a structure. In addition, in the acquisition, the acquirer is more involved in his process without the help of third parties, therefore he is the one who decides what is most beneficial for him. at the same time I think it can be a disadvantage because without a guide or a north he can deviate from the path or stagnate because he does not know what to do next. On the other hand, as an advantage of formal learning, it can provide the tools to the learner and at the same time it is a guide in the process. But you can also limit him to avoid making mistakes because he is aware of it.
ResponderEliminarHi Rafa, You are right, it's a great advantage to have tools and a guide in the learning process.
EliminarSure, as Krashen explains "No one hs learnt Academic Language by studying and thatt " your writing style is never learnt but acquire".So he points out the subject matter teaching where students are allowed to acquire writing by self-selected materials to get the academic language.So I think there is a mix in these processes where you get the input in classes but you select a more in depth path to acquire the language.
EliminarBoth acquisition and learning are important processes, although according to research the most effective process is the acquisition. These differ because learning is a conscious process while acquisition is the opposite, it's an unconscious process.
ResponderEliminarI think one of the advantages of learning a second language is the "Error
correction" or "feedbacks" which I think are necessary. Acquisition has the advantage that acquirers don't need to be "aware" of the rules.
Right, as Krashen points out the fact that acquisition does not requires much metalinguistic awareness which means students don't need concious attention to language forms or particular rules that might limit the language richness but then there is a need to have into account a lot of particularities as strategies and patters that are more fittable while getting to know grammar.
EliminarI think both ways are part of language acquisition and that each one plays an important role in the learning process but I think there are some factors to judge those ways. For example, if there is one person who does not study languages and she/he is studying by themselves, probably one day, they will need a formal class to understand some issues and doubts about the language. But if there is another person learning the language by him/herself and that person has a high IQ it will be different, maybe he/she doesn't need a formal class because it is understood by him/herself. On the other hand, a person who studies languages is always immersed in formal classes, then they use that knowledge in an informal way. Also, it may be a person that formal classes are not enough. So, here the situations and the persons make the differences.
ResponderEliminarI think that the only disadvantage would be to focus on a single method since the two complement each other, you have to understand that a language has many variants and is practically "infinite" so you have to practice both its formal and informal forms and the variants of these to your liking Once, using both, we will have a more meaningful and resilient learning for any situation.
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ResponderEliminarI think we need to acquire the language in natural and organic way, I mean getting the language following the sequential stages as we did acquire our native language.For instance, we start receiving the input and digesting the language so that we have enough foundation to produce and eventually develop our communicative skills and proficiency. So, learning requires the linguistic awareness and the implementation of particular rules of the language that may help us correct that unconcious input and recognise the way it is used.Thus, I believe the acquisition is a more productive way to get the target language, even though we might be lacking some of the linguistic or grammatic structures to organise the language, while learning might lead us to limit the contextual richness of a natural perception of the language.
ResponderEliminarThis really goes in the way the person who is learning wants, to be able to use the language , if their desire is something more directed to just talk, but whether to rely on learning structures or go to a deeper knowledge or if your desire is to have a deeper knowledge about what you are trying to learn both grammatically and culturally
ResponderEliminarI agree, it will depend a lot on the person and on what objective and in how long they intend to achieve it, but in the end they both complement each other.
EliminarBoth methods have disadvantages, but I would like to focus mainly on the advantages we can use in the classroom to help me as a future teacher. I think that one advantage of the acquisition is that it is a process where the student is willing to learn at its own pace, the teacher isn’t pressuring him to do well or anything like that. Is a process organic where the student doesn’t try (or is obligated) to learn a language in the usual sense, they lose themselves in the language and learn it in a meaningful way. On the other hand, I also consider that formal learning has an advantage because most of the time the student has a guide which is likewise important in the learning process. Both have advantages, which can be integrated into the classroom.
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I share your point of view that's what I was saying about going hand in hand with both processes. Both are necessary for the correct learning of the students. Clearly one as a teacher should know how to balance this knowledge.
EliminarThe acquisition by being unconscious helps us to understand certain things, but it does not allow us to deepen our knowledge as learning does, but that does not make one more than the other, they complement each other, the acquisition allows us to learn "quickly" and learning allows us to form foundations in learning.
ResponderEliminarI think the same way and of course, I chose to learn a language rather than acquire it, but no having enough foundation in the language
EliminarI think that Acquisition can be fast and useful for everyday cases bit not in a formal field, on the other hand, learning a language with all the grammar rules can take time and more effort, is a long process in which communication is left behind but at the end can be useful for both: informal and formal situations.
ResponderEliminarExactly, they complement each other and while learning a second language both methods are necessary.
EliminarI do not understand the question very much but I Think that the acquisition of a more informal way is more natural and we learn it more quickly what would be an advantage and in the formal it is already learned completely in depth
ResponderEliminarIn all aspects each adquisition process in some way makes a contribution that enriches it. In formal learning, students have a complete guide, it is completely organized, either by subjects or themes, etc. And they work individually to obtain grades or certificates, which is advantageous because students will be aware of what they want to achieve according to academic standards. On the other hand, informal learning is more spontaneous, unmethodical and interesting, but disorganized, closet to the acquisition. I believe that it is possible to work as neither is put before the other, in this way making learning less mechanical and helping to develop and reach a high level of communication.
ResponderEliminarBoth methods complement each other in my opinion, language acquisition tends to give us a more natural handling and helps us to relate to the language in a simpler way, while learning a language helps us to understand specific topics, topics that we may learn through acquisition, but don't know are there or don't understand.
ResponderEliminarThe advantage would be that it is a more practical way and facilitates the process that allows us to go making and making mistakes and correcting them. And the downside could be that due to the many variables that acquiring or learning a language has, each person will know how they feel most comfortable,but in the end they both complement each other.
ResponderEliminarIt is a bit confusing question but according to what I understood I would dare to answer that both ways of learning the language complement each other and I do not think that the advantages and disadvantages of each one are very different. What I am saying is that to reach the proper mastery of the language it is necessary to learn to communicate in a formal and informal way and this is achieved hand in hand with these two different processes.
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